and that brings us to another interesting question that we can raise with you and we're joined on the live line and he's actually been listening to us and he may choose to comment on what you've said thus far david brickner who is the executive director of jews for jesus which is celebrating, i believe, it's 30th year, is that right, gaifd brickner? >> it's good to be with you, john. on the cornerstone of our headquarters it says jews for jesus established 32 a.d. give or take a year but the organization you're right, it's celebrated its 30th year this past year. >> there are two ways of looking at the gospel texts. and one of the ways, they're not in conflict but one i the emphasis on the atonement, the redemption, incarnation, the son of god becoming man and the price that was paid to redeem mankind is what you saw on the screen. there is the political, there is the moral, other interpretations of events. do jews for jesus accept the divinity of jesus christ? >> well, we would stand with the answer that one of the first jews for jesus gave when jesus asked the question "who do men s